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soviet Venera-9 / 10 / 14 landers
Gorizont
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Posted: Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 01:17 AM UTC
Yes, these very small teeth gave me some problems.
Again I used (non CA-based) super-glue, which has a drying time of some hours to 2 days.
I also thought about your work, adding so much small rivets /nuts, when I removed them!





Not perfect, but "the more... the better".
And I have to add "some more" of them! Because I don´t have photos of full coverage of the V.13/14, I calculated them to 88!

greetings...
Thorst
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Posted: Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 01:23 AM UTC
Why don't you use the "normal" super-glue? That dries in some seconds, I think that would ease the process a bit...
But it looks good so far!

Thorsten
Gorizont
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Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 07:06 AM UTC
Small update:
I added some more of the small teeth. Pictures will follow later.

I don´t want to use super-glue (CA-based) because of its problems caused by ... me.
Yes, it would be an easier task and work would go on much quicker. But also there would be problems with the small parts, the glue and the holding-tool.

But now, I can easy "re-position" parts and remove the unused glue from the parts and/or the model. That´s easier for me.

Also I made tests with CA-based instant-glue and the fishing line, from which I tried to make a "replacement-part".
Normally CA-glue can "harden" plastic-parts... but not the fishing line.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 02:42 AM UTC
small update:
For building a new Prop-V (the ladder), I bought a packet of 0,35mm ( or ca. 1/73 inch) metal wire.





Also visible in the photos are the first completed row of teeth. They are not "perfect" but perhaps the next sets will be better - but I think, the overall appearance is great.
I added a small 5-sided metal-pennant for placing it onto the landing-ring. (also not a clean work)






The original: (again from Don Mitchell´s webpage)


Also I will add two 4-sided parts - one at each side. They should be a bit easier to make.

greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 07:17 AM UTC
I bought a new packet of "modeling clay" for making a base... or I try to.
Its color is "brick-red" (ziegelrot) and with the first tests it seems to be a good solution for the needed result. But I will see this, when it is dry.
I will try to make different layers of "hardened" lava which seems to be an easy task as I thought ... but it isn´t.
I will see how to make thin layers and how to (carefully) destroy them.

greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 08:43 AM UTC
A small update:
I can not be online for a long time, so I can not post images now.
I´ve built a small landscape from the "brick-red" modeling-clay. The result looks very good to me, but gave me some problems using colors.

Also I added the second row of teeth to the lander´s ring.

Thats all from me now.
greetings...
Gorizont
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:01 PM UTC
After a long time, another update:
I tried to build a landscape of the nearly flat surface, including its rough features.




I used modelling clay for this, because it was easier to use.

I had some problems with this material at the painting-stage.

Also later I used washes and dry-brushing techniques with dark and real black colors, but the effect of the "recesses" is not as good as it should be.





Using the colors, the (good looking) effects of the first images were lost.
I will try another wash using black colors for the recesses.

Comparing with this:

from: spacedaily.com


Also I added another set of teeth to the lander.







Look at these fine details on the braking shield! (Great!)

I try to fill the known parts of the lander with teeth, using the surface photos and my drawing.
Also I have some images of the lander in the lab, buth the teeth are visible only via their shadows.

greetings...
Soeren
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Posted: Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 08:07 AM UTC
Hi Soeren,
nice progress once again. Some hard work with the teeth. This is never easy task, to make same things look alike, unless you had special tools and equipment. Some triangle rod would be very handy in this case, just to cut off slices needed, but I am not sure there is any suitable available (Evergreen, Plastruct etc) I am looking forward to see that painted and finished
Cheers
Libor
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Posted: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 08:51 PM UTC
Thanks Libor for your kind words.
Your parts for your loco are much more complex than my simple teeth.
Also I didn´t glued the teeth on their "exact place", which should be a bit higher than now.
But at this size, this shouldn´t be a big error.

During the last days I made no big additions.
I thought about building another landscape, because of the smoothness after "washing and painting".
With the completed landscape (V.10) I also had to make some tests, so I have to paint the actual build using my airbrush only.

Some days ago I made an image, which was mixed from 6 differently exposed photos.
It was made for a test only.





greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 06:34 AM UTC
After some waiting... another update.
I´ve added some -very small- metal-plates (also called "pennants") to the lander.
These are to thick, but its not possible, to sand them.
One of them is a 5-sided one, and at the other side is a big 4-sided one.
Also there are more of them, but they are not clearly visible on the photos.

The photo-set begins with the nephelometer. (for measuring particles in fluid or "gaseous" environments)
I made a small plastic-part and filled the gaps with putty.
The second and third shows the small metal-plates.







I hope, after painting, the parts will have a better look.
Some of the theeth are broken, but I glued them.

Also I added small parts to the landscape.
Photos will follow later, but it will look nearly identical to the previous one - big plates of lava and no small stones.
Also I have to use only one color for this landscape.

Also at this stage, I cut some parts for the Prop-V (the ladder) made of metal.
I´m very strained to the result! (correct translated?)



greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Monday, May 24, 2010 - 12:48 AM UTC
Some days ago I started working on the "new" landscape for V.14, and made some images.





Both pictures were made in b/w color - the new landscape is not painted yet.
Also in the comparison, the -unwanted- effect of the water can be seen.


The next small part wait for its replacement.


greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Monday, May 24, 2010 - 04:00 AM UTC
Small update:

At first I used the previous version of this thing as a reference, but I shortened the 2 long rods.
Now, it is smaller and more correct.
It´s not a clean build, but it looks okay to me. (later I have to remove some glue)





greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 11:00 AM UTC
Next update...
Some days ago I´ve added small parts, some stones and a bigger part, which is one of the most famous parts of the images.
The cracked plate can be seen in the overview-shot on the upper part of the image.
Also

Glueing some stones was no good choice, but I can cover some unwanted parts using the modeling-clay.


The image was squeezed in height, to give a better "on surface" look. (for test only, from 640x480 to 640x256)
Also the base is not painted yet and perhaps its details and the different layers will be clearly visible after painting.


And an overview shot.

I will add some more small parts for detailing the base.

greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 - 01:22 AM UTC
After a long time, another small update.

At the moment I have to glue another set/row of the teeth.
This time, they´re 14.
After that, there are 4 sets with 11 theeth/each left.
(44 + 14)

Also I made no further work on the other machines and parts.

greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 04:56 AM UTC
A small update:
During the last few days I´ve added the 14-parts set... and today another 11-part set of teeth.
Now there are 33 left.

Photos will follow later.

greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Monday, June 14, 2010 - 05:49 AM UTC
I made some photos of the current result. This image shows a good overview.
There are 3 blocks/sets left. (33 teeth)



greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 03:18 AM UTC
Some hard work, a few "bad words" and 2 more added blocks later, I can say... it´s nearly fnished - one block (11 teeth) left.



greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 05:34 AM UTC
small update:
it´s finished!

I have completed glueing the teeth!


Also I´ve added another small machine, wich purpose is unknown to me.
Perhaps I will add the loop-antenna (and other parts) to the lander before painting, but I´m not sure.
Others will be added after painting, because they´re painted yet.

A close-up image would not be fine, so I use an overview image only.
The quality is not perfect, but the result looks great. (to me)


greetings...
Soeren
Thorst
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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 05:45 AM UTC
Sören,
nice work! Good to see the teeth on their proper place!

Thorsten
Gorizont
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Posted: Sunday, June 20, 2010 - 06:05 AM UTC
update:
I´ve added some machines.
The bent tube is one of the 2 cooling pipes. It was not glued, and for showing the possible result only.
(perhaps I have to make new ones, because the shown one is wrong in place... to low)

Added were: the Groza-2 loop-antenna + microphone (including a cable), the soil-drill (including cable) and the hydrometer, which is a bit oversized.

Another machine was resized to fit on the ring. The spectrometer is the metallic thing, between the black vacuum-reservoir and "the ladder". ;-)
I will add them later. (after painting)







greetings...
Soeren

PS: Some of the teeth broke away.
I made a small list... until now I´ve added 5 teeth again. ;-)
Thorst
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Posted: Sunday, June 20, 2010 - 06:26 AM UTC
Sören,
that looks great!
Don't forget that the camera housings didn't show the "horns" on the upper sides on this version of the lander, you could remove them relatively easy at this stage of construction.
Gorizont
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 09:10 AM UTC
Thanks for the hint, Thorsten!
I tried to remove them using a scalpel.
The result looks good to me.

Some days ago, I made a photo... and inverted the colors.


As I glued the teeth, I discovered negative characteristics of the glue.
When drying, the stuff partially "pulls together", so that small parts can move away from their original places.
A good comparison are some of the teeth.
I added them using a small tool, and aligned them by fingernail.
Perhaps I can carefully reposition some of them.
Also I had a solution for making a stable PE-version of them.



I´ve added another small part, which can be seen in front of the soil-drill.
For hiding some errors, I´ve connected it with some wire. ;-)

Another small part was a replacement for the "hammer"-like object at the end of the new penetrometer. ("the ladder")
Also I sanded two small disks, but will paint them later... again using a needle. One was added to the small hammer.

greetings...
Soeren
Thorst
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2010 - 09:28 AM UTC
Sören,
glad I could help!

Hope you get the glue under control... but I suppose to use other solutions the next time, it doesn't only shrink together, but it also changes its appearance, it forms out more and more gas bubbles in it and I think this could even destroy the paint finish when the gas reaches the surface.
But don't ask me what to use instead of it, I only use plastic cement and superglue...
Gorizont
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Posted: Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:05 AM UTC
As some of you perhaps thought... due the hot weather I stopped building.
It´s not good, to build with wet fingers.

Thorsten, yes the gas-bubbles produced by the super-glue (not ca-based) can be found on some parts of my new-made landscape... but not on the lander itself.
On the landscape I can remove them carefully, and after spray-painting they will not be visible anymore. (I hope so)

I will have an eye on my finished lander for the glue-problems. Thanks!
At the moment, there are no problems visible.

greetings...
Soeren
Gorizont
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Posted: Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 08:50 AM UTC
Yesterday (saturday) I´ve continued my build of the Prop-V. (the ladder)
Using superglue (not CA-based) this was very easy, and small changes were possible.
Also I hade to make some rework... removing some unwanted effects. ("spiderwebs")
This glue can produce a kind of "web".







Some minutes after I made the images, I shortened and bent a part. (the part is for measuring the electrically properties of the soil, so I think)

Also as I saw, the black vacuum-tank is smaller than my one.
So, perhaps I have to make a new one or shorten the existing one.
I will see........

Also I didn´t spray-painted the base.
This could not be very easy, because I have to hold the base 90 degrees to the airbrush, to avoid some erosion, which could be visible after drying.


gteetings...
Soeren